Hello,

I'm on my 11th day of Norco10 wd's. Several months ago I read a detailed timeline of what to expect when withdrawing (with no help from Sub, etc.) I can't find it now - can someone post what to expect at approximately what day?

I am unbearably, almost suicidally depressed. I think I'm mostly through the physical withdrawals except that I still have bone pain in my hips and legs, and sleep very restlessly, even with Ambien.

I recall someone saying that 14 days was a big one, and then 40 days... can anyone help?

Thank you!

-MoonChild

Dear Moonchild. Wow,you're doing great. If you can make it 11 days then the worst is over. I've been through WD several times and it sucks. Once I made it to 30 days and felt great. Another time I made it to 30 days and then caved. So...I'm not sure what to tell you. IMHO, by now it's mostly psychological. I found (and I absolutely hate exercise) that walking in the evening did help with the insomnia. I'm sure the rest of the PW fam will chime in with their experiences. In the meantime, don't cave...you've come too far and remind yourself that you never want to go through that first week again. Peace and grace and prayers for you.

Blessings Moonchild,

Regarding the timeline, what giving you a timeline will do is allow your mind to believe that at a certain number of days, you should feel better, and it will probably work, because our minds are so much incredibly stronger than we realize. Know that you can start feeling better when YOU decide to, to be brutally frank, because it's about our mindset.

But just as a backup, do you have a Primary Care doctor you can go to to talk about your depression/insomnia? I went on Seroquel mainly because my doc basically let me know she wouldn't continue to help me if I didn't go on an antidepressant. I had tried many antidepressants to no avail (mostly they gave me bad side effects) but I finally found one called Seroquel and the only side effect is drowsiness, so my doc gave me that to help the insomnia. It does help. Would you be willing to try that or at least talk to your doc? They gave me a sample of Seroquel for free so I could test it for a week and it was fine.

Hi Faeriewitch,

I should have mentioned that I'm already on Prozac... have been on various antidepressants since '94. I have been in contact with my psychiatrist, and he has upped my dosage of Prozac which seems to have helped a bit. I'm not in quite the suicidal despair that I was a week ago. It does help having a doctor know what's going on.

Thanks for your reply...

-MoonChild

OK if you are already on Prozac, we certainly wouldn't want to add another med. This may sound corny, but I find that watching a funny movie after work helps if I'm feeling really dreary. Something that I know makes me laugh really hard like Adam Sandler movies or Dave Chappelle show, even South Park. Worth a try?

P.S. I do remember someone recently saying that day 10 and 3 weeks were both "milestones" for them. So you should be there very soon

Hi Moonchild,

My prayers are with you. Today is my 3rd day of the Norco's. 11 days? yes you should feel better. I want my 11 days..

Oh someone said if you do say that there is a timeline then I guess your mind will believe it.. I read somewhere that it's 3 days to feel better. Well, I felt better on my 2nd day. Sure, I feel the psychological but it creeps in and creeps out.. Keep on moving MoonC.

THIS TOO SHALL PAST

Mark

Faeriewitch:
I think there may be a stigma attached to using Seroquel, mainly because it is primarily an anti-psychotic~ However, I have also found that it IS the best "sleeper" around, unlike so many sleep aids, Seroquel has no sleeping pill hangover at all. I am able to sleep the entire night and I am alway's tormented with insomnia (during withdrawel)
which for me is horrific by day 3 with NO sleep~ Like Methadone, Seroquel is multi-purpose, I would not take it for the long run, but for initial bouts of withdrawel insomnia it is a blessing! I do think it is a good idea to do a search on this med. however, it may not be for everyone. Glad you mentioned it.
Dave

Shaman/Dave,

Yes you are right about the "stigma" attached to Seroquel; I myself was dubious about taking it and actually kind of insulted that my doc would offer me an anti-psychotic . It seems mainly to be prescribed for the manic episodes of bi-polar disorder (which I do not have nor ever did). But yes as you said that is not its only use, just the most notorious. It does work to help sleep without the "hangover" for sure!

MoonChild

Congratulations! 11 days You are doing all of the right things and the advice the other posters gave you are all good.

How about setting a goal for day 15 and get a massage? Then on day 25 get a pedicure. Things like that do work....that's how I lost a lot of weight by setting goals for myself and giving myself a treat. This is all about you and the very good thing you are doing for yourself.

Keep up the good work and please keep us updated.

ADR...aka DesertRat

Hey Moonchild,
You are doing great!!!! It takes awhile before you FEEL "back to normal". But you will Going "cold turkey" IS the best route. As for the depression, have you talked to your doctor about an antidepressant? That will also help with your physical discomfort as well as mental!!! A great one with minimal side effects is Zoloft! What ever you do, FYI, do not do the Kratom, Sub, etc...that just prolongs the inevitable, and can make things A LOT worse. It sucks during the first two weeks of withdrawing/detoxing/adjusting, but it's worth it to suffer briefly and be done with it!!!! You should only use the Ambien for short term and then throw them out. You won't be able to sleep for about a week, but think it is ONLY SHORT TERM, and then you won't be reliant on anything! I highly recommend the Thomas recipe (extremely intelligent and works)! But since you are past that stage, just take comfort measures (without medication), except for the antidepressant. And I promise you, in 30 days you will feel FABULOUS! Hang in there

Moonchild! 11 days is excellant. My worse experience in a opiod withdrawel has alway's been sleep deprivation, it begins to scare me after 3 days, so quite honestly, I will "fall-back" on a short term use of a benzo. I "cold turkey" about once a year. Have tried so many "Alternatives" but, am still with Pain Management I am just not into self-flaggellation at this point in my life. I have talked to my Pain Doc. about habituation many times, she has this rather odd notion that pain should be treated aggressively, and likes to see her Pts. comfortable, but safe. I heard so much about the effective thrust of Methadone, THEN, I started reading the horror stories!...I have about 3 unfilled scripts backed-up at my pharmacy, and will D/C them at next consult. Number 11 is a "Master power" number. A good day to celebrate the pro-active things you are doing. My "cap" is off to you!
Respectfully,
David

11 days is awesome. I am on day 5 and the sleeplessness / restlessness at night is really getting to me. I did not sleep at all last night even after taking some benzos - just tossed and turned - like I had no control over my body. Work today was tough with no sleep. I am worried that if I don't get some sleep soon I am going to cave. I have called all the sub doctors in the 50 mile radius but they all are saying "we are not taking any new patients." I am ready to be on day 11.

Boostz~ Sleep deprivation is hellish. (my worse symptom during Hydro holiday) O.k. so, which Benzo?...Valium seems to work for me fairly well, however, AND, this is a BIG however, but there is another poster here who concurs with me on this. There is a psychotropic medication, actually, an anti-psychotic! It is called "Seroquel" like many medications, many have a dual action, Seroquel, (and I have been on MANY hypnotic or, "sleepers" in my time.) Leaves me wwith NO sleeping pill hangover. nor does there be the usual habituation and tolerence issue, at least so far, I am now a year on this med. Will sleep through the night. No side effects, afterall, you may be new in town, with a "history" of Bi-polar, and have recently run out of your Psych. meds. Do NOT persue this unless you search the med. and determine that it may be worthwhile for the SHORT term. JMHO~ Please read-up on it first!!!!!!
David

Thanks David. Last night I took 8mg's Xanax + 100 mg of (don't laugh) Benadryl. I slept ok - my wife said I was kicking but still snoring (went to bed early since I did not sleep at all the night before).

I have been on many AD's including the one that works similar to Seroquel (acting on the histamine receptors as well as the others). The time I took it (Resperodal?) I slept for 2 days so I am leery because of work. I have read a lot of posts on here when I dedcided to CT last week. But, I thought if I could just get to day 5 while out of work I could make it. It has been a lot harder than that. What really gets me is that since I was turned down by about 20 doctors for the Sub treatment, now when I call them back and tell them I just need after-care and no Sub, they still won't take me.

Today is a little better.

ShamansSmile,

I see that I cannot get Seroquel online. If I did want to try it, knowing that I am not seeing a doctor (because I cannot find one who will help me), should I just be open with my primary care physician about what is going on? He is going to wonder how I decided I needed Seroquel with no knowledge of what is going on. I have gone through this before with a long history of opiod addiction. The last time I did this I was in another state (physically) with a doctor that I trusted who prescribed different meds to help me through the withdrawal. But, he never put it in my records and always used "anxiety" as a reason for treating me. I don't have that luxury here, and I am worried about disclosing this to my PCP.