Hello , I am new here to posting but I have been a "watcher for several years .
I just wanted to say first ,I appreciate this board and really think there are some excellent examples of very humane and intelligent humans in this Forum. Now this is not some alt that just popped up , but has been used for thousands of years for pain .
I will state that at one point in my life due to Chronic Back conditions and knee and and ..... on and on That I was doing perhaps 8 10-325's a day . I understand that tolerance plays a huge part in this and would adjust accordingly , meaning I would stop or reduce , making it possible for a time to take less medication .
I now do not take any Hy's at all , this is because I have change from the Hy's to making Poppy tea. Of course I realize and for those who do not . Poppy tea is made from the opium poppy . But the difference I spend in money {especially if you find ones who have great quality control which I did and makes all the difference in the power of the tea} , and the difference in not taking the additive tylenol , the difference in drinking two cups of tea one in the morning and one at evening {one cup will last up to 8 hours depending on the amount used to brew the tea , plus I have a very distinct brewing method that is superior to just the boil and let brew technique } And the great difference in taking massive amounts of meds and then worrying where the next ones are coming from , who is open or closed .
This is a very easy way to maintain pain and not have those worries anymore . Though this may not be for everyone , it has made a big difference in my routine . I would not suggest to use anything like Hy's or tea ever . But if you are dependent on Hy's to help you move around during the day or night , Then this is a possible alternative for you.
I would rather be free of any help in this way . But I want to be free of P and this is a marked improvement over the prescription . And very powerful , the H's would dull for me the pain. The tea actually I hardly feel the pain .
Just thought I would throw this out to anyone interested .
Thank you and hope everyone a great year.

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i am def interested,how do you make this tea?i read about this awhile ago,wasnt really sure how to start.it just the red poppy you grow right?do they grow well in a very warm climate?please pm me if you need to about where i might be able to find these plants.so pretty,just for my garden of course.

Just a note of caution. As an old timer on the board with a pretty libertarian view that people should be able to do what they think necessary to help themselves without interference, poppy tea was quite extensively discussed here and elsewhere about 4 years or so ago. I have never had it nor made it. Out of curiosity, I did go on the net to see if you could indeed import dried poppy pods for "decorative purposes." And indeed, people had ways of making tea from them--successfully. A few here even tried it.

Just be very cautious though. It seemed a consensus formed from those that used it frequently that it is one of the most addictive things they have ever experienced--and it didn't take a lot of time either. Many found out just how addictive it was when they ran out and hadn't placed another order for the pods/flowers. Many reported the worst withdrawls they've ever experienced. And most of them were long time users of hydrocodone and oxycodone for their chronic pain.

And just to correct one thing that nebadon said--tylenol is not addictive either.

Look, I am not putting anything down. Especially in these times of great uncertainty for many in their desired treatment for their pain problems, it is quite understandable many are looking for alternatives. I believe the last time we talked about poppy tea it was during the time when the nrops started to disappear or having legal problems. And the discussion started out much the same. It sounded so easy and innocuous. But it didn't take long for the down side to be reported. In the end, at least it seemed to me, most people were very wary of going that route. I think it is still a fair area of discussion. For me, even when it was first discussed, thankfully I am just too lazy to go through the hassle of making it having just recently tried a "cold extraction" or whatever it is called. That is where people try to separate the pure hydrocodone from the tylenol. My attempt (I am one of those who might try something at least once, just out curiosity) was a miserable failure and a waste of 15 or 20 pills.

In fact, I am surprised the topic hasn't come up much since. So, before anyone just jumps in and thinking this might be their "free lunch," so to speak, for pain relief, do a little digging first.

My first question to our new member, nebadon would be--since you have started using the poppy tea, one cup in the morning and one at night, have you tried to stop using it? This is a serious question and not a put down. I would be curious as to your experiences.

Take care all,
PB

I hear you pharmboy , you know it is clear that anything that stops the pain will have ups and downs and some will not be able to control in a measured way their intake of meds whether natural or man made . I think this system of keeping the pain at bay is as dangerous as any . I mention here because I feel it is a legitimate alternative. One at this time, for over 1 year now has taken away the constant worry of where I could get the medicine I needed without climbing through new hoops every time the system of store bought medicine changed it's exterior . When I did myself change over it was right at a time I had found a doctor who finally got it and understood the quantity that I needed to be present as much as one can on meds in the day . I mentioned that number of 8 to 10 a day 10/325. That number represents the most I was taking in one day and yes I had withdrawals after that when I stopped .After letting my system return to normal I began a new regimen with the new doctor . He was prescribing 35 a week which I maintained for about 6 months . He charged $90 a visit and then the meds were about 30 dollars . Every week this adds up as you can see .
So when I changed over I had become very disciplined with my movement with the new tea . I measured out precisely an amount . I have now done for a year this amount but not daily ,some weeks it may be daily some times it is between three days and when I did not drink for lets say three days , yes I could feel that edge that told me even with the amount I am doing, and even skipping days , I can still feel that if I did not control the tea as I do ,then yes I would be in for the wd's .But this goes for everything well maybe not everything , but you know what I mean . No matter what is said of danger some will get it and some will not . It helps greatly my pain and I am doing the absolute best to not let this turn into what the H's had turn into before . But I feel better inside than I ever had during use of pain medicine . Believe me if I could I would not do anything and frankly I have learned that I did not need as much as I thought .
And in my first mail I just meant that the prescribe meds had things that I would rather not have in my body like the tylenol of which poppy does not have .
Listen as moderator if you feel I have over stepped some thing please remove this post or the one I began . The more I think about it the more I feel a bit weird , because you are right . It is a very powerful thing and most will not be able to handle it .
Thank you for pointing that out .Its funny we could talk about the new ultramb52 or the hydrofiberistic pain reducer and all would be cool , but when we get into things that were the original pain reducers it almost has a taboo feel to it , we have been penetrated even when it comes to natural things that they are wild and forbidden{same for pot}, when in reality it is more about the substance of the person than what substance a person is taking . I do not mean that in a mean spirited way , I mean that ones who would have trouble with this or anything are more than likely having trouble elsewhere , I know I did at one time , I just had a very bad condition that I could use as an excuse . When I rid myself of those problems I was left with the same chronic condition that I have had for years , but funny less than half of the same meds helped .
Now as I said I am feeling a little weird with this post so I am not sure whether it is proper to remain . if you think we should get rid of this , I am cool with that .
N

could you pm me where you order the tea from?

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Originally posted by tiger lily:
could you pm me where you order the tea from?

i would be interested also

flower shops, stem and all,for decrative purposes only of course.they sell them by the bushel sun dried.

Nebadon

The purpose of this board is to openly discuss all ideas and experiences. I am happy to read of your good experience with poppy tea and you are willing to share it. PB's post was to bring forward the info that it had been discussed before and it does have a downside that a user should be aware of. I don't read anything else in his post and I don't think you should either. I don't know you but feel I know PB and he does not have any mean bones in his body. Please keep posting and hope you will respond to the PW members that show interest in your experience.

ADR

I doubt that there is ANY reputable business in this country that is going to market Papaver Somniferum poppy tea. It amounts to felony diversion. PB is right, pure extract would be very addicting, and tolerance builds quickly according to what I have read.

In order to ensure a proper tea, you would have to order the pods and grind them yourself, WAY too risky, you aren't talking a few envelopes of blister pak meds. You are talking about CASES of ornamental pods, I wonder how many of the dozens of poppy pod retailers are actually sending out Papaver pods?...do you really think customs allows massive cases of Papaver pods into this country?...who is going to complain for getting a non-opium shipment?

Poppy pods make great ornamental table arrangments, it is highly unlikely they are Papaver, and even if they were, they would be coated with chemicals of all kinds, otherwise, they would be loaded with insect burr holes. You would probably poison yourself if you attempted to grind the pods for a tea.

The idea of "homemade" opium tea is fanciful, but not practical, and the risks are far too extreme...

JMHO.

i do feel the need to bring to everyones att.that are thinking of trying this.i have been reading about it since last night.if you dont make it right it can be fatal.and it is very addictive just like heroin i read.make sure you have read all the plusses as well as the negatives and if you think of trying make sure its done correctly.i read of a boy who used the seeds to brew a tea and died of a overdose of morpheine.something like that,look it up youll see it.he was using for acouple mths and apparantly brewed it too strong,then his dad found him dead.

I am sorry I do not seem to be able to P.M anything to anyone . I am assuming that I Must ante up to do such . Maybe someone can suggest a path to get me there .
Thank you
N

no,this board is dif from others.you need to join to p.m. people.please join soon,i would love to discuss.you pay i think it like 20 or 25 dollars and your a membr.its so worth it.and you can talk to everyone and post on every thread.im trying to get everyone to join.i love this board.its a great place to vent,and also make great friends with similar interests.i did find some places to buy the poppy plants.i love making flower arrangements too.

There is a down side and up side and with any side you have to have foundation correct to support it . I can take you as most will know to early newspaper reports on the fatalities due to Pot . And I am sure there are a few . But that said do not be so quick to hold up the finger that waves beware ,based on studies that may or may not have been paid for by you guessed it , our squeaky clean pharmaceuticals , they will stop at nothing to keep everyone on the product and have all other alternatives classified as dangerous . I know this can be dangerous . And I also still debate whether I should have said anything at all . But the basic rule here is moderation and precise movement with your wreath or your flower arrangement . These that are used and I find the best are natural and no coatings no sprays . They remain as they are after they are picked and prep is only minutes . Then sit down and work on your arrangements with focus . I have seen reports lately of far more fatalities concerning ox than making wreaths . Anyway I am glad if this may indeed help someone . Yes read about the pros and cons , but really people the plant is not the insidious creature here ,it is the pharmaceuticals . And we actually wonder why today so many kids have diabetes . And why almost 2 out 3 kids in foster homes are on psychotropic drugs , some as young as 4 years old . And soon they are trying to pass a law that states . If your child has been sent to the school councilor and he or she recommends that the child see a doctor and the doctor will have a check list , does child move around accessibly , does child have trouble concentrating etc... if the doctor prescribes these drugs and you as parents refuse to have your child take them . Your child can be taken away and you jailed for endangering a minor {or whatever it is } This is a bill right now in Washington .And the only fellow who made a stink about it was Ron Paul . Though I do not know much about him , I at least respect his outrage . The point is all this going on and we sit and watch it happen and worry over whether 1 pod to much is going to take you away . Its a simple measurement and I certainly am not talking about concentrated anything . Its a t that has had medical uses way before any pills hit our tongues . It in some way has probably relax a few unruly people and prevented a fatality here and there . I find it really helps far better than other . Believe me they try to stop anything that is a potential competitor , and they have done an expert job at this . You can almost smell the fear here among I feel very open and reasonable people . Its amazing how they have propped themselves up .
Anyway I do want for all to feel better thats why I cam to this page , to say hey heres something that may or may not work for you . But people are nuts and will mess up the simplest instructions . I just can't decide whether this was a good thing to share or not , I not like this .
Be well and love to all you love
N

Ok I will try and join . But now I must add my down side ,there are many good companies but there are some that are crop .
Anyway , I will join in the next hour so I can enjoy the P.M and the other off limit places . Though I did join at least I have to log in . I see now , its like dues , Thats fair enough I will go do .

cool,welcome,hope to hear from you soon.